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This is Mark Kanduso from the Flying Soft and Gritters Getting Committee of Arcana, Ohio.

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Interviewing a patrolman. What's your name?

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patrolman McCurry. McCurry? And where do you live Mr. McCurry?

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masslin. Masslin. And what office do you work at?

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Masslin Berries. Masslin Berries. And your rank is patrolman, right?

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right. What's your education? What education have you had?

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high school. High school. And special training, huh?

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right. What's the date of observation?

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Tuesday, September 18. September 18. And what time was it at that?

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about 5 a.m. 5 a.m. Eastern, no, Daylight Savings Time.

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right. And the locality of the observation?

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between Monroe and Alliance on State Route 80 to Junction 153.

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I see. And how long did you view the object?

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3 to 4 minutes. 3 to 4 minutes.

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Describe the weather conditions. The type of sky, bright daylight, nighttime dust, etc.

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nighttime clear. Nighttime and clear. Any moon?

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yes. Stars? yes.

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Did you see more than one object? yes. Two.

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Two objects. Describe the appearance of the objects in detail.

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They were bluish white and off long.

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They, when they were at a distance and when they came in close, the one,

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the one came down low and come very bright.

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Very bright. Now I'll ask you some of the questions later on which will bear on this a little bit more.

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Did the objects appear to stand still at any time?

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Just once. Just once and for how long?

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About a minute. About a minute. Did they suddenly speed up and rush away?

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Yes. Did they break up in the process?

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No. Did they give up any smoke?

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At a distance, they looked like there might be a slight vapor trail. I couldn't say for sure.

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I see. Did they drop anything?

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Did they? Did they drop anything?

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Did they change brightness?

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No, except when the one came down low.

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Changed shade? No.

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Changed color? No. Right. The one that came down low, it came very bright.

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Very bright. But did it change color though?

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No, it would turn more or less from a bluish white to a real bright white.

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I see. Did the object at any time pass behind anything or in front of anything?

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No. That is a earthly object on the ground.

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No. Was there any wind?

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Very little.

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Did you observe the object through the windshield or glasses or binoculars or anything like that?

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I first observed it through the windshield on the ground, the car and watched it.

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And you got what I said exposed?

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Right. I had to have it.

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Was there any accompanying sound?

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No, I didn't hear any. It would probably be two point away from me to hear any sound anyway.

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Were the objects fuzzy or blurred like a bright star or sharply outlined?

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They were sharply outlined.

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Shuttered at a distance it would be blurred when it first came up in the southeast.

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From the southeast. Did you think the object had its own light within or was it reflecting or dull finished?

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No, it had. I would say it had its own light.

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Had its own light.

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Did the object rise or fall while in motion?

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No.

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Did one of them come up?

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Except the one that came down, right?

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I see. Could you give us the apparent signs of the object when compared with the following?

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How did arms length of pinhead, a pea, a dime, a nickel, a half dollar?

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I would say about a dime at a distance.

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And when a one came down below, probably could hold a nickel out in the bright light and still come out around the nickel.

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Well, you mean in other words the left area awaiting the object would have covered you in a quarter possibly?

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Possibly.

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I see.

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Now, did you ever notice the object? How did you ever notice the object in the first place?

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I just sitting there at the intersection of very traffic and I just glanced up the sky and saw them coming up from the southeast.

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From the southeast? Could you describe how they traveled towards you?

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From southeast to northwest.

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And after they got over me they all us spared off to the northeast and went directly east.

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Did they ever stop?

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Yes, once. When the one came down low, the other one stayed up high and hovered over.

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In other words, they did stop. For how long do you think they stopped?

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Approximately a minute.

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Approximately a minute.

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And they came to the southeast and traveled towards the northwest to begin with.

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And then they changed direction in which direction?

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How could they come over and stop over and directly east?

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Directly east from there.

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Could you estimate the distance of the object from you?

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Just, I know it's a very tough thing to do.

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When they, when I was close or far, when they stopped?

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When they stopped they were, oh, maybe the one that was way up, I suppose,

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it was probably a mile or more up in the air, maybe more than that.

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The one that came down low, couldn't have been more than,

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well, I doubt it could be a half a mile away.

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It was probably a thousand feet up maybe.

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So how's we think?

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Did it throw any light on the ground?

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No, I don't believe, they would be too far away for me to see.

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I see.

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But it was on the ground.

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It lit up enough that it possibly could have.

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How did the object disappear from view?

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When it came down low it just lit up like somebody turned the lights on when they just sort of dimmed out

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and disappeared directly to the east.

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I mean, did they disappear from distance?

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No, they didn't do it more than that.

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It seemed to just dim the lights and took off.

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And would you didn't see them?

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How long since they've been in there in the air?

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After you saw them hover for the minute that you said that they hovered

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and one came down toward you and then finally they changed direction

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and went the other way to the east, how long did it take for them to disappear?

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It would be no time at all, they just disappeared about a few seconds.

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A few seconds?

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You see, they disappeared after hovering in the same position,

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they disappeared in a very few seconds.

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It seemed like a very short time to you.

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Yes.

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What approximate elevation were they?

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30 degrees, 45 degrees when they stopped?

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Or were they overhead?

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No, they weren't overhead.

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Could you point with your hand and try to imagine for me?

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Maybe.

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But this must be, what, 30 degrees?

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Just about 30 to 35 degrees, yes.

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30 to 35 degrees, and maybe even less, about 30 degrees.

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Yes.

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And were there any conventional objects in the sky like aircraft?

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No, no.

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What about afterwards?

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No.

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And were there anybody, could you compare the speed of the objects

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once they came from the horizon in the southeast toward you?

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Were they like a piston craft, like a jet craft, or much faster?

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Much faster.

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Much faster than what?

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Then the jet, they just came about the southeast,

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and in that period of four minutes, they came from completely out of sight,

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through from the southeast up to where I was at, hovering there and disappeared to the east.

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And when they took off, going away from you, did they seem to be going very fast?

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Yes.

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Faster than a jet?

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Yes.

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Do you have any other witnesses with you?

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No.

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Just by yourself?

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Yes.

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About seven miles away, there were two Minerva policemen that observed at the same time I did it.

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Then I went to Minerva, checked with them, the CSA,

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decided the same object I had, and they advised they had,

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and I asked them what they saw and they advised that they saw everything that I did,

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and they did the same thing that I'm saying right now.

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But you were not in connection with one another, telling each other things while you were watching?

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No, I went down to check to see if anyone else had seen it,

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and see if I was nuts.

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And you found out then that somebody else had done the same observing you did.

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Right.

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Is there an airport around the area?

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Military or governmental research installation?

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Is there an airport around here, close by?

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There's one in the Akron Canton airport, but it's directly west.

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Directly west?

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Yes.

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And you don't think it was an aircraft?

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No, I know it wasn't.

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I see.

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Have you ever seen other objects of this nature, under the fights?

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Yes, about ten years ago.

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About ten years ago?

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Yes.

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I saw seven of them.

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Seven of them?

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Right.

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Could you give us just some kind of a quick description of those?

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That seems to be a case in itself.

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They also came up directly from the southeast, and they more or less,

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act like they were playing games with each other, and flying around,

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and more or less hubbub for a while, and take off.

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They more or less came directly overhead, and they went directly east also.

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Is that right?

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No.

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In other words, there were like a swarm of bees, or a swarm of mosquitoes flying around,

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or like aircraft making dyes and things like that.

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In other words, you thought that they must have been almost like they were just having fun.

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Right.

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They were less like they were playing games.

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And how would you describe those objects?

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Were they just licensed guys or what?

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No, they were, they looked just the same as these here,

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they never kept them low.

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They were hot.

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Right.

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Did these, did this object that you described to us, that you saw on the 18th here, Tuesday,

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would you describe them as round or just a straight oblong?

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What do you mean by oblong?

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Like a brick?

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No, no, they, maybe not quite as oblong as an egg.

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You could use an egg and cut it down in half or so, I guess.

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Cut in half?

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That would be at the angle that I was looking at when they came up out of the southeast

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of the Polnus oblong.

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In other words, the one side of it was flat, like the cutting an egg in half, which half,

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found the long ways, or the short side.

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Right.

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The long ways.

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Long ways.

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Did you see an actual hump such as that?

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No, I didn't see a hump.

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I mean...

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I know what you're talking about.

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You're talking about the oval shape, right?

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Right.

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Right, so you're looking at the flat side, right?

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You couldn't see any definite shape such as a, whether it was rounded at the top, like

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a dome or anything like that?

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No, it didn't more or less look to me like just being flat, only was hollow.

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And there was no material, which you could see, nothing different, nothing solid like

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to see on an airplane?

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No.

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Nothing black, no black things outlined in the back of the light?

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No, just...

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Frequently this light.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Were you interrogated by anybody else?

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By the Air Force, federal, state of county officials?

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No, I guess I'm going to be interrogated by Ray Patterson, Air Force Base.

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You will be, right?

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Did they tell you when?

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They said they would get in contact with you.

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I see.

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Well, I'm glad I'm here before they are.

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Were you told not to discuss the Zinsus by anybody?

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No.

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I don't know.

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So, may we have permission to put your name?

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This will encourage others to report similar observations to our group, FSIC.

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If you prefer, we will keep your name confidential.

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Yes.

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Right?

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Thank you very, very much.

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Is there anything that you had in mind at the time when you were watching this object?

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Could you tell us something about your thinking?

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Were you surprised or were you cool and collected as you watched?

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I think I was cool and collected.

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Like I said, I thought I saw them before, about ten years ago, and I saw that movie, UFO,

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and some of the actual pictures that were taken, taking that, some of the actual films in that movie.

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These objects compared to those, just exactly.

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Well, we thank you very, very much for your very generous act here,

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for giving us this wonderful interview, and this is Mark Kondusso terminating the interview

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on the 19th of September at around 12 o'clock at night.

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Thank you very, very much.

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This is Mark Kondusso signing off.

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This is Mark Kondusso continuing, making some additions after the fact, of course,

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of McCurry's signing just described.

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He said that the object that had come down, the objects had come up from the southeast to a point 35 degrees

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in elevation, stopped there, waited there for about a half a minute to a minute,

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and then the left-hand one, the one on the left-hand side, dropped down to an altitude of about a thousand feet from the earth.

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I think you heard him say that, and it brightened up considerably.

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Now, what happened was that it rejoined its partner upstairs and then took off to the east.

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This is one of the points that I ascertained after the fact, after this interview.

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Now, as to the previous interviews on the tape, Delmus Early was interviewed first at the police station in Minerva,

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and Patroman Nelson was interviewed at his home outside of Minerva.

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And they were interviewed, of course, you know the dates.

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All I wanted to point out was that there were independent interviews every one.

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Nobody was in the same room, none of the siters were together in the same room.

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And another point that has to be made is that none of the siters themselves notified each other when they were watching these objects.

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And I suppose that's just about all the comments I have to make. Thank you.